It’s not often that everyone on the web can agree that a community or even a person is objectively evil. Whether the focus is set on a politician doing something controversial or an A-list actor caught in a scandal, you can always find someone that’s ready, if not eager, to defend the figure against the onslaught of mainstream and social media criticism they’re receiving. One group that seemed to get nothing but universal criticism until recently is landlords — and who doesn't have a bad landlord story, right?

Online hatred for landlords stepped further into the limelight last year due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Stories and posts began emerging of tenants being threatened with evictions for being unable to pay their rent after being laid off. Landlords weren’t too happy about the situation either, as some states disallowed landlords from making evictions, but that didn't stop all of them, leading to even more criticism.

This isn’t where landlord criticism starts though. Landlord hatred was inherited by the web naturally after decades of hatred in real life. In 2018, Rhik Samadder published an article on The Guardian criticizing landlords as social parasites, writing about how giving a landlord a “best of” award in his field is like “giving Stalin a humanitarian award.” Back in 2010, a landlord company in Toronto was awarded a golden cockroach award by the community’s tenants association, inspiring applause from some tenants. But the root of landlord criticism, at least when it comes to online discourse, goes back to 1948.

Historically, the largest “revolt” against landlords was the Chinese Land Reform Movement, a campaign in which the communist party of China’s leader at the time, Mao Zedong, allowed the killing of over 800,000 landlords based on their class status in order to give the land back to the people. This event, as inhumane as it is, has formed the basis for a lot of anti-landlord memes today. If there’s an argument about landlords going on somewhere on the web, its’ not long before a leftist “Mao poster” enters the mix with a meme referencing the Chinese Land Reform Movement, often insinuating that it should happen again to some degree.

Similar tactics are used by right-wing posters and trolls every day, using something extreme like a tragedy to provoke reactions from the other side. Discourse like this often drowns out any actual attempts to educate either side on the pros and cons of land-lording. Instead, it melts everything down into a political flame war that branches out far beyond landlords vs. tenants to communism vs. capitalism. One of the best examples of this can be seen on Reddit.

On October 18th, 2019, /r/LandLordLove, named ironically, was launched specifically to criticize landlords. On a typical day, the subreddit’s frontpage offers a collection of anti-landlord memes, news stories highlighting bad landlords and stories of personal experiences with awful landlords. With over 37,000 members, the subreddit sees consistent interaction and posts. It’s a tightly knit community, and like most spaces on Reddit, is a bit of an echo chamber because of it; a safe-space for landlord criticism. You’re not going to find many debates on whether or not landlords really deserve this blanket-stated criticism they’re awarded on the sub, and the posters seem content with it, able to focus all their energy on sharing anti-landlord efforts rather than engaging in flame wars as many of them do on other online spaces just for their outspoken left-wing opinions.

Besides, many of the posts speak for themselves, offering quick glimpses into how landlords can abuse their power (albeit without looking at the landlord’s side). The idea of a landlord, someone who literally "lords over your land," comes with an assumed power imbalance that’s easy to apply to every landlord thanks to the lack of context needed to post on the web. In some cases, this power imbalance is definitely there, but research is required. Of course, if you’re going to criticize something vehemently on the web without exploring all sides, you have to expect some opposition. That opposition came on May 3rd last year in the form of /r/LoveForLandlords, a subreddit specifically made to combat /r/LandLordLove.

With over 34,000 members, /r/LoveForLandlords is just behind in followers as opposed to /r/LandLordLove, offering a pretty fair battle. The landscape on /r/LoveForLandlords is a lot different than their enemy sub. /r/LoveForLandlords is a straight-up meme-fest, filled with mountains of ironic and post-ironic memes to the degree that it’s impossible to tell what’s serious and what’s not. The about section of the sub claims that the board is meant for landlords to discuss their problems with tenants, but there’s very little of that going on. Instead, the followers of the sub perform somewhat of a roleplay, where they post pretending to be exaggeratedly evil landlords who are ready to jump on any means they can to evict their tenants.

Memes on the subreddit frequently feature posts bragging about all the money they’re making from tenants, boasting about kicking tenants out during bad times in their lives and asking elaborate questions in order to find out how they can finesse their tenants into homelessness. The subreddit even has its own language, including words like “rentoid” to describe tenants who pay but the landlord still wants to kick out for being annoying, and “Landchad” to describe landlords who stand up for themselves and other landlords. It’s almost immediately evident that the subreddit is created just to troll landlord haters online, specifically /r/LandLordLove, and they don’t hide it. Posts are frequently made bashing the subreddit, just as posts are frequently made bashing /r/LoveForLandlords on the other sub. Recently, the sub seems to be concentrating its efforts on surpassing /r/LandLordLove in members, and the divide is only getting closer.

Admittedly, /r/LoveForLandlords is a lot more fun to browse through from an outsider's perspective due to the unique memes. They may be an even more tight-knit community than their counterpart, albeit in memes rather than hatred. In contrast, the sub has also devolved into nonsense. Beyond the heavy political undertones that live beneath almost every post, there’s not much substance here, with users making variations of the same joke over and over in their own opposite-yet-equal echo chamber. While /r/LandLordLove is a space where actual grievances about landlords get aired out, nothing of much substance is ever discussed on /r/LoveForLandlords. Their memes are stronger, but their intentions are weaker and equally without evidence. They could post positive landlord stories and help the cause, but instead, they meme.

Most people won’t leave the subreddit with a genuine love of landlords, as there are no reasons given to love them. /r/LandlordLove users, on the other hand, post more than just memes of varying degrees of irony to their page, offering actual evidence for their hatred. It’s not as fun of a sub, sure, and it’s not as active, but there’s nothing fun about the fight against landlords to them.

This is why the users see /r/LoveForLandlords as such a harmful subreddit. It delegitimizes their war against landlords without any necessary context thanks to the nearly equal follower numbers and the fact that more right-leaning trolls, whether they like landlords or not, will jump in the sub and start posting just as another excuse to troll leftists in a brand-new way. It reduces the entire problem to the core politics that may or may not be at the center of the posts on /r/LandLordLove, when in fact, a lot of the users are posting about genuine legal problems they’re having with landlords, muddling the point entirely. When your whole online community is defined by Mao-posting though, what do you expect?

At the end of the day, it all comes back to the memes. Although Mao-posting isn’t rampant on /r/LandLordLove, it is popular when it happens. It’s the most extreme posts that tend to get the most upvotes, and the same goes for /r/LoveForLandlords when they roleplay as evil landlords. /r/LoveForLandlords has gained a significant fanbase by reducing the critical landlord community’s image on Reddit to that of a hateful communist protestor and Mao-poster, reducing them to a combatable level and opening them up for retaliation from right-leaning trolls far and wide. In each case, extremism is both communities’ greatest weapon and weakness, and it’s the reason neither matters in the grand scheme of things.

/r/Landlord was created in 2008. It boasts over 47,000 members and is a space for landlords and tenants to come together and post about anything related to landlording. The moderators actively ban trolls and discourage nonsense after being raided before, and offer a place for landlords to talk both professionally and more casually.

Browsing through the posts lets you see a more human side of the argument. One of the top posts on the site comes from a landlord suspending rent due to COVID-19, receiving praise in the comments for representing landlords positively. Like many things, the reality behind Reddit’s landlord war is a lot more grey than what's represented. It’s more fun and tempting for a lot of people to take a side and get extreme, but it doesn’t really help anyone’s point. There are absolutely problems with landlording, but they go a lot deeper than internet trolls dwell.


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googolplexbyte

Fuck Mao, where are the Henry George comments?

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TheOtherRightSide

Welp def can pass on Mao, but I find it ironic Frieza was based on landlords.
Anywho feels like this falls into the ACAB thing. Most people think they suck, but none to few notice/ support the good ones.

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peepeepoopooman69

Cant wait for comment section to turn into Tankies and /pol/ users throwing metaphorical feces at each other

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Keka7d5s

Who own most of these housing anyway?

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SpyCrab64

While I agree that Landlords are by and large a parasitic waste of our slowly dwindling oxygen supply, calling for the return of Mao is not exactly good for optics when you consider the numerous crimes against Humanity, abuses of power, and general disdain for the very people he was supposed to help that he did without so much as a second thought.

Not exactly painting your movement in the best of light.

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The Glorious Lobster Emperor

Mao's regime increased the quality of China so much even during the worst famine (which didn't magically appear after communism, as famines had been ravaging China for its entire fucking history) the lifespan still doubled EVEN AFTER INCLUDING THE DEATHS FROM THE FAMINE.

There were bad policies in place that exacerbated the famine, but Mao and the communists took responsibility for it and still ended up massively improving the quality of life of China at the time.

Mao held off against the Japanese, Chiang Kai-shek and even during a famine managed to elevate China to heights never before seen. He also removed the landlord and capitalist roaders from China.

Mao was 70% good 30% bad.

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peepeepoopooman69

Theres a weird modern section of Tankies that formed that LOVES Mao, China and North Korea. Its baffling

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Admaril

One death is a tragedy but a million is just a statistic in action right there.

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The Glorious Lobster Emperor

God even this fucking article can't help but pull this "BOTH SIDES" shit. At least a leech can be used for medicine, the only thing a landlord is good for is target practice.

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Geigh Science

I would just like to ask the rabidly anti-landlord crowd one question: Do you think housing should be free?

And I would want them to think really hard about it and not just automatically respond yes. I would personally love to live in a utopia where all services can be offered free of charge, but in case none of you have looked around recently we still live on earth and shit costs money.

Obviously some landlords are assholes. There are assholes in all trades. But for someone who charges reasonable rent and is available to personally fix things and solve problems for their tenants, while not being a control freak and letting them live their lives whenever possible… I'm not sure why that person is regarded as evil just for being a landlord? It kinda weirds me out, to be honest.

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The Glorious Lobster Emperor

It ain't that hard to imagine a "utopia" where everyone is housed. Because there's more than enough houses for everyone in the USA to be housed. The only reason there are homeless people is because fucking real estate and landlords keep using them as glorified gambling chips.

Landlords literally contribute nothing to society. They’re a middleman, a leach, between someone who actually contributes to society (i.e. a worker) and the human right of having somewhere to live.

If every landlord disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, literally nothing would change. You’ll always hear “THEY PROVIDE HOMES!!” Or “some people can only afford to rent! What would they do without landlords??” – literally if the landlords didn’t own all the shit, people could just live in the homes without paying a parasitic class.

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Jerach

I'd like it if we had a system where people were able to just more easily buy their homes rather than having to rent a place from somebody else. It's my understanding that the cost of housing has been inflated enormously through weird laws being created to prevent developments that would "devalue" current real estate, and people buying real estate for the sole purpose of then charging other people for rent.

I think it makes sense that people have to pay money for housing, but I think we shouldn't have systems where so much of the housing has been gobbled up by people with money so they can then inflate the price to the point where people cannot buy it and instead must rent.

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InventiveUserName

If every landlord disappeared off the face of the Earth, their friends and families would probably be quite sad, for a start. There would also be many economic ramifications caused by things like mortgages not getting paid and the loss of large chunks of the investment portfolios of, among other things, charitable organisations and pension companies. From my own field, you'd be getting rid of the National Trust, the RSPB, and all of the Wildlife Trusts. Also housing associations and homeless charities, which collect minimal rents from their tenants in exchange for a small share of benefits whose claims they also assist in, in order to maintain their facilities. That's just a few consequences I can think of off the top of my head. There would be many more.

You might well say those consequences would be worth it if it meant everyone could own property, sure. It's wrong to say there wouldn't be any consequences, though.

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